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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
    HOUSE COMMUNITY AND REGIONAL AFFAIRS STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                   
                         April 12, 2011                                                                                         
                           8:35 a.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Cathy Engstrom Munoz, Chair                                                                                      
Representative Neal Foster, Vice Chair                                                                                          
Representative Alan Austerman                                                                                                   
Representative Alan Dick                                                                                                        
Representative Dan Saddler                                                                                                      
Representative Sharon Cissna                                                                                                    
Representative Berta Gardner                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
All members present                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 94                                                                                                              
"An Act adding a second verse to the official Alaska state                                                                      
song."                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED SB 94 OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 170                                                                                                              
"An  Act  relating  to  municipal   property  tax  exemptions  on                                                               
residences of certain volunteer  emergency services personnel and                                                               
the  widows   and  widowers   of  volunteer   emergency  services                                                               
personnel; and providing for an effective date."                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD & HELD                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
BILL: SB  94                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: SECOND VERSE OF ALASKA'S STATE SONG                                                                                
SPONSOR(s): SENATOR(s) DAVIS                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
02/25/11       (S)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
02/25/11       (S)       CRA, STA                                                                                               
03/08/11       (S)       CRA AT 3:30 PM BELTZ 105 (TSBldg)                                                                      
03/08/11       (S)       Moved SB  94 Out of Committee                                                                          
03/08/11       (S)       MINUTE(CRA)                                                                                            
03/09/11       (S)       CRA RPT  5DP                                                                                           
03/09/11       (S)       DP: OLSON, KOOKESH, WAGONER, ELLIS,                                                                    
                         MENARD                                                                                                 
03/09/11       (S)       FIN REFERRAL  ADDED AFTER STA                                                                          
03/17/11       (S)       STA AT 9:00 AM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
03/17/11       (S)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
03/17/11       (S)       MINUTE(STA)                                                                                            
03/22/11       (S)       STA AT 9:00 AM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
03/22/11       (S)       Moved SB  94 Out of Committee                                                                          
03/22/11       (S)       MINUTE(STA)                                                                                            
03/23/11       (S)       STA RPT 4DP 1NR                                                                                        
03/23/11       (S)       LETTER OF INTENT WITH STA REPORT                                                                       
03/23/11       (S)       DP:   WIELECHOWSKI,    MEYER,   PASKVAN,                                                               
                         KOOKESH                                                                                                
03/23/11       (S)       NR: GIESSEL                                                                                            
03/23/11       (S)       FIN REFERRAL  REMOVED                                                                                  
03/25/11       (S)       FIN REFERRAL ADDED                                                                                     
03/30/11       (S)       FIN AT 9:00 AM SENATE FINANCE 532                                                                      
03/30/11       (S)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
03/30/11       (S)       MINUTE(FIN)                                                                                            
04/01/11       (S)       FIN RPT 7DP                                                                                            
04/01/11       (S)       DP: HOFFMAN, STEDMAN, THOMAS, EGAN,                                                                    
                         MCGUIRE, OLSON, ELLIS                                                                                  
04/01/11       (S)       FIN AT 9:00 AM SENATE FINANCE 532                                                                      
04/01/11       (S)       Moved SB  94 Out of Committee                                                                          
04/01/11       (S)       MINUTE(FIN)                                                                                            
04/08/11       (S)       TRANSMITTED TO (H)                                                                                     
04/08/11       (S)       VERSION: SB  94                                                                                        
04/09/11       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
04/09/11       (H)       CRA, STA                                                                                               
04/12/11       (H)       CRA AT 8:30 AM BARNES 124                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HB 170                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: MUNI TAX EXEMPTION FOR CERTAIN VOLUNTEERS                                                                          
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) FEIGE                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
02/23/11       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
02/23/11       (H)       CRA, FIN                                                                                               
03/24/11       (H)       CRA AT 8:00 AM BARNES 124                                                                              
03/24/11       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
03/24/11       (H)       MINUTE(CRA)                                                                                            
04/12/11       (H)       CRA AT 8:30 AM BARNES 124                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BETTYE DAVIS                                                                                                            
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Spoke as the sponsor of SB 94.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR ALBERT KOOKESH                                                                                                          
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of SB 94.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
PAMELA MARSH, Staff                                                                                                             
Senator Bettye Davis                                                                                                            
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Presented SB 94.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SELINA EVERSON, Elder                                                                                                           
Alaska Native Sisterhood, Camp 70                                                                                               
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION  STATEMENT:   During  hearing  of  SB 94,  testified  in                                                             
support of adding a second verse to Alaska's state song.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CONNIE DAVIS                                                                                                                    
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Testified  that she  would appreciate  the                                                             
committee's full consideration of SB 94.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ERIC FEIGE                                                                                                       
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Spoke as the sponsor of HB 170.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MICHAEL PASCHALL, Staff                                                                                                         
Representative Eric Feige                                                                                                       
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION  STATEMENT:     During  hearing  of   HB  170,  answered                                                             
questions.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:35:09 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  CATHY  ENGSTROM  MUNOZ  called  the  House  Community  and                                                             
Regional  Affairs Standing  Committee  meeting to  order at  8:35                                                               
a.m.  Representatives Austerman,  Saddler,  Cissna, Gardner,  and                                                               
Munoz were present at the  call to order.  Representatives Foster                                                               
and Dick arrived as the meeting was in progress.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
           SB  94-SECOND VERSE OF ALASKA'S STATE SONG                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:35:47 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MUNOZ announced  that the first order of  business would be                                                               
SENATE  BILL  NO. 94,  "An  Act  adding  a  second verse  to  the                                                               
official Alaska state song."                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
8:36:04 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BETTYE  DAVIS, Alaska State Legislature,  speaking as the                                                               
sponsor  of  SB  94,  reminded  the  committee  that  legislation                                                               
proposing adding a  second verse to Alaska's state  song has been                                                               
before  the  committee in  the  past.    She recalled  that  such                                                               
legislation passed a couple of times  in the House, but it didn't                                                               
make it through the process last year.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
8:37:14 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  ALBERT  KOOKESH,  Alaska  State  Legislature,  began  by                                                               
informing  the committee  that last  year  when this  legislation                                                               
went through  the process, he  purposefully didn't attend  any of                                                               
the committee meetings  in order to avoid the  perception that he                                                               
was  being self-serving.   However,  that  legislation didn't  go                                                               
anywhere.  Therefore,  he decided that this year he  was going to                                                               
attend  all  committee meetings  on  this  legislation.   Senator                                                               
Kookesh told  the committee that  for most  of his adult  life he                                                               
has served  and worked in  the Alaska Native community,  and thus                                                               
he considers  himself an Alaska  Native leader.  He  related that                                                               
he is the co-chair of the  Alaska Federation of Natives (AFN), an                                                               
Alaskan Native  and State Senator,  and a former  Grand President                                                               
of the  Alaska Native Brotherhood.   Senator  Kookesh highlighted                                                               
that he  grew up in  the Village of  Angoon where he  still lives                                                               
today.   Senator  Kookesh then  related  his disappointment  that                                                               
prior legislation  to add  the second verse  to the  Alaska state                                                               
song  hasn't been  brought to  the House  or Senate  floor for  a                                                               
vote.  In  fact, some of the comments last  year were of concern,                                                               
particularly comments  expressing concern  that the  second verse                                                               
of  the  Alaska  state  song   would  lead  [Alaska  Natives]  to                                                               
sovereignty in  the state.   He also recalled  comments regarding                                                               
the  second verse  of  the Alaska  state  song providing  [Alaska                                                               
Natives] the  ability to  develop leadership in  the state.   The                                                               
only  reference  to the  Alaska  Native  community was  the  term                                                               
"native lad",  which refers to  Benny Benson, the Native  boy who                                                               
designed the  flag. He questioned  what is wrong  with mentioning                                                               
that Benny  Benson is an Alaska  Native.  He also  questioned why                                                               
one wouldn't  support the  language "there be  no bars  among our                                                               
cultures."   With  regard to  those  who charge  that the  second                                                               
verse  can't  be  sung,  he  disagreed  and  recalled  hearing  a                                                               
beautiful rendition of  it in the Senate's  opening ceremony this                                                               
year.    The  second  verse   won't  provide  the  Alaska  Native                                                               
community a  step up in  terms of  politics, although it  will in                                                               
terms  of   saving  face  and   recognizing  the   Alaska  Native                                                               
contribution to  the state.   This  would be  in contrast  to the                                                               
state  seal,  which  has  no   depiction  of  the  Alaska  Native                                                               
community.   He questioned how  unfair not having a  depiction of                                                               
Alaska  Natives on  the state  seal  when, at  one point,  Alaska                                                               
Natives constituted  40 percent of  the state's population.    In                                                               
conclusion, Senator Kookesh emphasized his  support for SB 94 and                                                               
for this  legislation to  be before  the full  House for  a vote.                                                               
Therefore,  he  urged  the  committee   to  forward  SB  94  from                                                               
committee and  eventually help it  get to  the House floor  for a                                                               
vote.   Senator  Kookesh closed  by stressing  that he  views the                                                               
second  verse  of   the  state  song  with  pride   in  terms  of                                                               
appreciating the contributions from Alaska Natives in the state.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:42:02 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CISSNA related that her  reason for staying in the                                                               
state  was  a total  fascination  and  admiration for  the  first                                                               
Alaskans.   The second verse  of the  Alaska state song  seems to                                                               
allude to the  wisdom and knowledge of Alaska Natives.   She then                                                               
related her embarrassment that Representative  Kookesh had to say                                                               
what  he   said  because  Alaska   Natives  need  to   have  more                                                               
[recognition] than the second verse of the Alaska state song.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  KOOKESH   noted  his  appreciation   for  Representative                                                               
Cissna's  words.   He  then highlighted  that  the Alaska  Native                                                               
community  has  worked   hard.    In  fact,   the  Alaska  Native                                                               
community,  through its  corporations, brings  $4 billion  to the                                                               
bottom line of the state.   Furthermore, an Alaska Native won the                                                               
Iditarod  and the  Iron  Man  this year.    Moreover, two  Alaska                                                               
Native  girls were  paramount  in Wasilla  winning  the Girls  4A                                                               
Basketball  State Championship.    Alaska  Natives, he  stressed,                                                               
make contributions  to the  state daily and  the second  verse in                                                               
the Alaska state  song would be a small recognition.   He related                                                               
that the Alaska Native community has  a saying that when one does                                                               
"good" he/she lifts up the face of his/her people.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:44:33 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  AUSTERMAN  told the  committee  that  he has  the                                                               
honor of calling  Benny Benson his friend.  The  reference to him                                                               
in the second verse is very appropriate, he opined.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
8:45:10 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FOSTER inquired as to AFN's stance on SB 94.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  KOOKESH  relayed  that [AFN]  believed  the  legislation                                                               
adding the  second verse to  the Alaska  state song was  going to                                                               
pass last year  and the AFN convention was going  to be dedicated                                                               
to the  second verse and  recognize Benny Benson and  his family.                                                               
However,  that didn't  happen and  the theme  had to  be changed.                                                               
The AFN  does plan to have  a celebration if and  win legislation                                                               
adding the second verse to the Alaska state song passes.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:45:49 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  MUNOZ  recalled  that  Carol Beery  Davis  was  her  music                                                               
teacher and that she discussed  how important it was to recognize                                                               
the [Alaska] Native culture in song  as well as other ways.  Much                                                               
later, at age 95, she wrote the second verse.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
8:46:52 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR KOOKESH  remarked that people  come to Alaska to  see the                                                               
Alaska Native culture and their  art, not cement, and the state's                                                               
diversity.   Actions  by the  legislature  should celebrate  that                                                               
diversity, which this legislation achieves.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:47:57 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PAMELA  MARSH,   Staff,  Senator   Bettye  Davis,   Alaska  State                                                               
Legislature, paraphrased from the following sponsor statement:                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Senate  Bill  94  would  add  a  second  verse  to  The                                                                    
     Alaska's Flag Song.   The late Carol  Beery Davis wrote                                                                    
     a beautiful  second verse,  which gives  recognition to                                                                    
     Alaska Natives  and to Benny  Benson, who  designed the                                                                    
     Alaskan flag.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Similar bills have  been introduced in the  past.  Last                                                                    
     year  The Alaska's  Flag Song  was performed  with both                                                                    
     verses as  the Senate  gaveled in on  the first  day of                                                                    
     session.  Also  last year, the Senator  from District G                                                                    
     introduced Senate Bill  43.  It passed  the Senate, but                                                                    
     stalled in the House.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     This year is  the year to join me in  supporting a long                                                                    
     overdue  addition of  the second  verse  to the  Alaska                                                                    
     Flag  Song.     By  passing  this  bill   you  will  be                                                                    
     recognizing history,  our progress  as a state  and our                                                                    
     first people.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:49:03 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SELINA EVERSON,  Elder, Alaska Native Sisterhood,  Camp 70, began                                                               
by relating her support for the  idea of adding a second verse to                                                               
Alaska's state  song.  She  opined that it  would be an  honor to                                                               
honor and  recognize Alaska's  Native people  for what  they have                                                               
contributed to the  state rather than feel  like second citizens.                                                               
Alaska  Native school  children would  be  so proud  to know  the                                                               
second  verse was  added.   Ms. Everson  expressed hope  that she                                                               
will be  able to  announce that the  second verse  legislation is                                                               
moving  through  the  Alaska  House  of  Representatives.    Upon                                                               
request  of Chair  Munoz, Ms.  Everson  spoke in  Tlingit to  the                                                               
committee,  saying:   "Thank  you  for listening  to  me and  for                                                               
having  the opportunity  to come  before you  in support  of this                                                               
song."                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
8:52:46 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CONNIE DAVIS,  speaking as  one of the  daughters of  Carol Beery                                                               
Davis, highlighted  that 1927 was  an exciting and  historic year                                                               
for the Territory  of Alaska.  In March, the  design for the flag                                                               
was selected.   She  noted that  her father was  a member  of the                                                               
final awards  committee.  Her  father related to her  mother that                                                               
they chose  a design  representing all  of Alaska.   In  May, the                                                               
flag was made official by the  legislature and the first verse of                                                               
Alaska's  state song  was written  by her  mother's good  friend,                                                               
Marie Drake.   During  those eventful  months, Carol  Beery Davis                                                               
interviewed  Alaskans involved  in  making it  all happen,  which                                                               
ultimately  became  a booklet  called,  "Alaska's  Flag".   Among                                                               
those interviewed  was young  Benny Benson,  creator of  the flag                                                               
design.  She  recalled that her mother never  forgot Mr. Benson's                                                               
depth of  thought and  feeling for  his years.   She  opined that                                                               
those thoughts  inspired Marie  Drake in the  first verse  and is                                                               
continued in the  second, adding recognition of  the designer and                                                               
hope for  his future  state.  The  verses complement  each other.                                                               
Although some  are concerned  that this is  a change,  the second                                                               
verse is merely an addition and  complements the first verse.  In                                                               
conclusion, Ms.  Davis said she would  appreciate the committee's                                                               
full consideration of SB 94.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
8:55:52 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  MUNOZ, upon  determining no  one else  wished to  testify,                                                               
closed public testimony.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:56:10 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARDNER  moved to  report SB  94 out  of committee                                                               
with individual recommendations and  the accompanying zero fiscal                                                               
note.  There being no objection, it was so ordered.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
8:57:07 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. DAVIS  interjected that  there were  verses with  mistakes on                                                               
the Internet that have been corrected.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
8:58:24 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee  sang the proposed  second verse to  Alaska's state                                                               
song.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:59:54 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 8:59 a.m. to 9:03 a.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
        HB 170-MUNI TAX EXEMPTION FOR CERTAIN VOLUNTEERS                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:03:28 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MUNOZ announced  that the final order of  business would be                                                               
HOUSE BILL  NO. 170, "An  Act relating to municipal  property tax                                                               
exemptions on residences of  certain volunteer emergency services                                                               
personnel  and the  widows and  widowers  of volunteer  emergency                                                               
services personnel; and providing for an effective date."                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:03:39 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MUNOZ informed the committee  that the committee substitute                                                               
(CS),  labeled  27-LS0562\I,  Bullard, 4/6/11,  includes  changes                                                               
discussed at the prior meeting.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:04:15 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ERIC FEIGE, Alaska  State Legislature, speaking as                                                               
the sponsor  of HB 170,  directed attention  to page 1,  line 12,                                                               
which  changes the  language to  read: "may  by ordinance".   The                                                               
aforementioned language change  implies that municipalities would                                                               
have to  opt in rather  than opt  out of the  proposed exemption.                                                               
The next  change is  on page  1, lines  12-13, which  reduces the                                                               
exemption  to  "the first  $150,000  of  assessed value".    With                                                               
regard to  the questions concerning  what constitutes  an "active                                                               
volunteer", the language  on page 2, lines 7-15,  was reworded to                                                               
specify what  qualifies as a  volunteer.  The  language specifies                                                               
that  a volunteer  is someone  who has  been a  volunteer for  at                                                               
least two  years and  meets the  standards determined  jointly by                                                               
the local fire department and the municipality.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:07:16 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GARDNER  asked  whether passage  of  [Version  I]                                                               
would   require  an   annual  application   from  the   volunteer                                                               
firefighter  or would  the individual  be grandfathered  in after                                                               
the  initial application.   She  asked if  the application  would                                                               
require  verification of  "active" status  by a  fire department,                                                               
emergency medical services, or rescue services entity.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FEIGE,   in  response  to  the   first  question,                                                               
confirmed that  a volunteer firefighter  would have to  apply for                                                               
the exemption each  year.  In further  response to Representative                                                               
Gardner, Representative Feige related  his understanding that the                                                               
widow/widower  of a  volunteer firefighter  would  have to  apply                                                               
each year as well.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARDNER  clarified that she's trying  to determine                                                               
if  a widow  would qualify  in perpetuity  or only  for the  year                                                               
following the change in status to a widow.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   FEIGE   related   his   understanding   that   a                                                               
widow/widower of  an individual  who was a  volunteer firefighter                                                               
at  the  time  of  his/her   death  would  be  eligible  for  the                                                               
exemption.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:09:13 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GARDNER  inquired  as  to  the  location  of  the                                                               
language specifying that it's an annual application.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FEIGE answered page  2, lines 22-23.  Furthermore,                                                               
the  municipality sets  terms of  the application,  and thus  the                                                               
municipality   could  require   an  annual   application  or   an                                                               
application that applies indefinitely.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARDNER surmised then  that there is the potential                                                               
for an  individual to be  a volunteer firefighter for  two years,                                                               
retire, and have the benefit for 20-30 years.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FEIGE answered  yes, if  that's the  rule of  the                                                               
municipality.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:11:21 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  AUSTERMAN  told  the committee  that  seniors  in                                                               
Kodiak have to apply for the senior exemption annually.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:11:39 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SADDLER  asked if  the  sponsor  intends for  the                                                               
widow/widower to  receive the proposed  exemption even  if he/she                                                               
remarries.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FEIGE said that he hadn't considered that.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SADDLER asked  if the  sponsor would  entertain a                                                               
conceptual amendment such that a  widow/widower would receive the                                                               
proposed exemption while he/she remains unmarried.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FEIGE replied  that he wouldn't object  to such an                                                               
amendment.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER  then clarified  that such a  change would                                                               
mean that  the widow/widower of  an individual who  qualified for                                                               
this  proposed   exemption  would  no  longer   qualify  for  the                                                               
exemption if he/she remarried.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FEIGE  remarked that he  wasn't sure if  one loses                                                               
their widow/widower status when one remarries.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:13:00 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CISSNA, drawing  from  her experience,  commented                                                               
that a  widow/widower's situation  changes once  he/she remarries                                                               
and  the widow/widower  has knowledge  of  the impending  change.                                                               
She opined that  the municipalities should have  something to say                                                               
about exemptions that  result in one party bringing  a benefit to                                                               
the marriage.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FEIGE  said that  he didn't disagree,  adding that                                                               
the  language   in  Version  I   is  flexible  enough   to  allow                                                               
municipalities to address such situations.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:14:03 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GARDNER  asked  if [volunteer  firefighters]  who                                                               
receive a  stipend per call  or a pension benefit  are considered                                                               
volunteers under the definition in Version I.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FEIGE   explained  that   in  the   fire  service                                                               
[volunteer  firefighters who  receive compensation]  are referred                                                               
to as  paid on-call  volunteers.   Again, the  municipality would                                                               
determine the definition of an "active volunteer."                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:14:49 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARDNER  recalled being told that  there are 2,000                                                               
volunteer  firefighters statewide.   However,  the definition  of                                                               
"volunteer"  per AS  18.15.250(d)(1) would  seem to  increase the                                                               
number of  eligible individuals.   The definition  of "volunteer"                                                               
per AS 18.15.250(d)(1) specifies:                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
          (4) "volunteer" means that the person is an                                                                           
     active  volunteer  of  a  first  responder  service,  a                                                                    
     rescue  service,  an  ambulance   service,  or  a  fire                                                                    
     department  that provides  emergency medical  or rescue                                                                    
     services as part of its duties.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:15:36 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MICHAEL PASCHALL, Staff, Representative  Eric Feige, Alaska State                                                               
Legislature, explained  that in Alaska the  majority of emergency                                                               
medical services are  part of a fire department.   Therefore, the                                                               
numbers  used  during  discussions   of  this  legislation  would                                                               
include  most of  the active  emergency  service medical  service                                                               
providers.    Although  [the  definition  of  volunteer  includes                                                               
individuals besides  firefighters] there  is no  way to  obtain a                                                               
good  number, it  would be  a  relatively small  increase in  the                                                               
number of individuals eligible for the proposed exemption.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:16:20 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  AUSTERMAN inquired  as to  how many  property tax                                                               
exemptions the  state pays  for, other  than the  senior property                                                               
tax exemption.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FEIGE  said that  he  isn't  aware of  the  exact                                                               
number.  However, he related his  belief that in recent years the                                                               
state hasn't funded those property tax exemptions.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  AUSTERMAN  asked  if this  legislation  prohibits                                                               
double dipping,  such that an  individual wouldn't be  allowed to                                                               
receive  say both  the  senior property  tax  exemption and  this                                                               
proposed volunteer emergency services personnel exemption.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FEIGE opined  that that  the legislation  doesn't                                                               
allow such  as the language refers  to "on the first  $150,000 of                                                               
the assessed value of the real property" for both exemptions.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:17:33 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SADDLER recalled  at  the last  hearing that  the                                                               
Alaska Municipal League  (AML) was not excited about HB  170.  He                                                               
expressed interest in AML's reaction to Version I.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FEIGE  pointed out  that the  change in  Version I                                                               
that makes the exemption one  that the municipality would have to                                                               
opt-in  would  place  it  at  the  will  and  discretion  of  the                                                               
municipalities.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:18:24 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DICK  related his  understanding that  an eligible                                                               
volunteer  would  have to  file  an  annual application  for  the                                                               
proposed exemption.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FEIGE  clarified   that  the  municipality  would                                                               
determine how  often a volunteer seeking  this proposed exemption                                                               
would have to apply.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DICK  posed a scenario  in which a  volunteer dies                                                               
in the line of duty or  not, and asked if the widow/widower would                                                               
have to apply for the proposed  exemption every year or would the                                                               
widow/widower be continuously eligible.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   FEIGE  stated   that  the   legislation  doesn't                                                               
distinguish between  death in the line  of duty or not.   Whether                                                               
the widow/widower would  have to apply every year is  left to the                                                               
municipality to decide.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:20:12 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MUNOZ  announced that since there  are additional questions                                                               
regarding various  aspects of  this legislation,  particularly in                                                               
terms of the widow/widower provision  and the desire to hear from                                                               
AML, additional input is necessary.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:20:56 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  AUSTERMAN   lauded  the  idea  proposed   by  the                                                               
sponsor, but expressed concern with  unfunded mandates.  Although                                                               
[Version  I] proposes  an opt-in  situation, he  said he  remains                                                               
nervous,  particularly when  one reviews  the permanent  fund and                                                               
the   exemptions   for    the   military,   mariners,   etcetera.                                                               
Representative  Austerman questioned  where one  would stop  with                                                               
these unfunded  mandates.   Furthermore, firefighters  aren't the                                                               
only volunteers  and thus it  also becomes  an issue in  terms of                                                               
where to draw  the line.  He  said that were HB 170  to reach the                                                               
floor, he suspected he would have to vote against it.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:23:17 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MUNOZ  announced that HB  170 needs  more work and  will be                                                               
held over.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:24:07 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  MUNOZ discussed  the interim  schedule and  the desire  to                                                               
visit communities along the Yukon River.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:25:48 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no  further business before the  committee, the House                                                               
Community  and Regional  Affairs Standing  Committee meeting  was                                                               
adjourned at 9:25 a.m.                                                                                                          

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